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Postby EM{Isolator} » Sat Sep 20, 2003 2:03 am

Ok, I just spent 2 hours going through server logs, and I've had enough. It seems to me that all of the UN players have mouths the size of Texas, they just dont shut up. I know that would get under my skin bigtime, Q3A isn't a damn chatroom after all.

I also saw Beware try to get things in hand, but she did make a few mistakes that let things spiral out of control. I do recognise her effort but she did not enforce soon enough and was too lax in her enforcement. it was like watching a bunch of 2 year olds run circles around a teacher who isn't allowed to spank them. I don't mean this in a disrespectful way, that's just the impression I got from reading the logs.

From what I have read, I probably would have banned all of the UN players for trash talking and disrespecting other players long ago. I also would have kicked several of the EM regulars as well who got involved with their BS, and they may have come close to bans themselves most likely.

I am not going to enforce anything that has already happened, but from this point onward I am going to put forth a clear set of rules that leaves no room for doubt on cause and effect.


Cause) Trash talking / disrespecting any player(s) / using the server as a chat room (if you HAVE to talk, go to SPEC and use teamchat, and remember the other rules).
Effect) 1st Warning; 2nd Warning; 12 hour kick; Permanent ban.

Cause) Accusing players of cheating.
Effect) 1st Warning; 2nd Warning; 12 hour kick; Permanent ban.

Cause) You are determined to have cheated on the server (via PunkBuster logs, or by server admins reviewing evidence in the form of indesputable in-game demos).
Effect) Permanent ban.


Gray areas:

Cussing - Beware does not like cussing, but sorry, we try to censor people as little as possible here. Cussing is acceptable when used sparingly and to accentuate something. What is NOT acceptable is cussing AT other people or wearing the word out, so to speak.

Examples of OK cussing:
What the fuck is going on, man?
I'm playing like shit.
I feel like total ass.

Examples of NOT OK cussing (this is disrespecting other players):
You're a fucking moron.
You play like shit you asswipe.
Your mom licked my hairy nutsack last night.

Get the idea? I might have gotten a little carried away on that :P

So, in short -- the admins are there to keep the game fun and the server an AFZ (asshole-free zone). They should only be excersising adminly powers following the previous cause & effect rules. This should keep everything nice and clean-cut, so nobody has to wonder if they are crossing a line or worry about an admin abusing powers.

To the UN players whom I observed in the logfiles - I suggest you change your ways if you want to continue to play on this server. If you want to chat or trash talk somebody, go to IRC or use an IM program.
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Postby EM{elusive} » Sat Sep 20, 2003 10:15 am

hahaha.. word
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Postby APEX » Sat Sep 20, 2003 11:40 am

:D Amen Iso Thx for Taking The Time!! :D
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Postby spectre » Sat Sep 20, 2003 12:32 pm

your dedication to a game that is 4 years old just continues to amaze me man. I appreciate you taking the time to go through those logs and to continue making this server one of the best I have ever had the previledge to play on.

Bucs are still going to lose though. :lol: :lol: :lol:

(praying to all the football Gods that I don't have to eat a ton of crow come Monday... :shock: :shock: )
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Postby EM{Isolator} » Sat Sep 20, 2003 12:38 pm

spectre wrote:your dedication to a game that is 4 years old just continues to amaze me man. I appreciate you taking the time to go through those logs and to continue making this server one of the best I have ever had the previledge to play on.

Bucs are still going to lose though. :lol: :lol: :lol:

(praying to all the football Gods that I don't have to eat a ton of crow come Monday... :shock: :shock: )


lets put our money where our mouths are...
i'll bet you two railguns that bucs kick falcons ass :)
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Postby spectre » Sat Sep 20, 2003 12:42 pm

EM{Isolator} wrote:
spectre wrote:your dedication to a game that is 4 years old just continues to amaze me man. I appreciate you taking the time to go through those logs and to continue making this server one of the best I have ever had the previledge to play on.

Bucs are still going to lose though. :lol: :lol: :lol:

(praying to all the football Gods that I don't have to eat a ton of crow come Monday... :shock: :shock: )


lets put our money where our mouths are...
i'll bet you two railguns that bucs kick falcons ass :)


your on!!! 8) 8)

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Postby Beware » Sat Sep 20, 2003 8:07 pm

First off...yeah Iso ur dedication to make this server is admirable and we do thank for providing such a server...EM and EM's atmosphere is the best ive ever seen and i really enjoyed my self when i played there....its mostly the family atmosphere and the respect that everyon has to everyone else that made it so special!

Thats why we were at a despair when the new ppl came in and made things impossible to even relax and enjoy and i think that after reading only part of the logs u see what we were going thru...and believe me the past 2-3 weeks is nothing comparing to when they started to come....
that was the reason i contacted u in the first place and suggested the co admin thing...to keep things into perspective... and to get back EM peace

Ive never asked to be admin and actually all the things that i did for the server b4 that i did them coz i wanted EM to stay a nice place to come and play, and im not braggin or trying to say im important or anything of that sort, but i did solve several problems b4 and helped regain control of the server...but the problems were always one person at a time not like this time when it was a group! So in short Iso, u dont know me or how i do things or how i could or couldnt be a good admin... But u jumped to conclusion from the posts on this forum...i dont blame u of course to arrive at those conclusion...coz the way the posts were going and how they were manipulated...it gave u a bad impression and since u werent there to see thing u thought u understood things right!
I got made at ur post "STOP THIS BULLSHIT" coz it portrayed ur wrong impression, and im not the only oone who understood that...i talked to several EMers and they had the same impression...So thats why i got upset, coz instead of reprimanding the coadmin in public like u did...(maybe it wasnt ur intention to do that .....but ur looking at ur post from the perspective of someone who doesnt know whats happeneing, but we look at it from the perspective of ppl who have lived thru it) it sounded like its a reprimand and telling us that we dont have the control over things..... coz there wasnt any talk about kicking for cheating without proof and there wasnt any abuse of power...it was for misconduct observed from players on the server.... Thats why i said u should have spoken to us in private about it then post the rules and explain what should happen or not happen like u did now for the others! That way at least u would have known what exactly was going on!

As for the mistakes that ive done, maybe ur right Iso...but there is something that u dont know. By the time that u got the chance to finally do the vote for coadmins and to actually tell us that we became ones, i had only 10 days left for my phd thesis defense..Now im sorry but that was more important to me than anything else ...i tried to be on EM but i was extreemly busy...and even the breif moments when i was i didnt pay much attention coz i wanted just to discharge part of my stress to be able to work more...so maybe that is what u got as too lax with them ...but after i finished that and actually on the same day of my thesis defense..i set out the rules that i posted in panda post "pfffft....Grrrr..." and when i did enforce the rules...he called me unfair and even manipulated his post to make look as if im the one who kicked him that time and not miri then he admitted that it wasnt me!!! I didnt even care to post a response to him and no one else did coz we were fed up with him and his stupid posts..so i ignored it...but that was a mistake from me coz it only gave u a bad impreesion!
Now the only reason i posted a reply to all of this is coz i saw from ur post in here that at least u saw what i was doing by reading those logs...and that u recognized my effort...so it was as if a compensation for ur harsh remarks earlier!
and one last thing altho maybe its place is else where in the forum, but its an answer to aud...yes aud ur right...we shouldnt use the the term UN clan coz this would include members who arent involved in all this and are actually cool like u, spi and kapa....and i am sorry if i ever used the term UN in general...but even when i used it u werent included in my mind, so yeah we should say certain members of the UN clan!
Anyway thats in short what i wanted to say (hehe i know its very long but oh well...)
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Postby SyNcMaS » Sat Sep 20, 2003 8:52 pm

spectre wrote:
EM{Isolator} wrote:
spectre wrote:your dedication to a game that is 4 years old just continues to amaze me man. I appreciate you taking the time to go through those logs and to continue making this server one of the best I have ever had the previledge to play on.

Bucs are still going to lose though. :lol: :lol: :lol:

(praying to all the football Gods that I don't have to eat a ton of crow come Monday... :shock: :shock: )


lets put our money where our mouths are...
i'll bet you two railguns that bucs kick falcons ass :)


your on!!! 8) 8)

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C'mon dudes, lets make it interesting at least. The loser has to play on EM for a week with a gauntlet.

Now that sounds like a bet! :shock:
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Postby Panda » Sun Sep 21, 2003 1:58 am

rofl
nice one syn ^^
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Postby EM{Isolator} » Sun Sep 21, 2003 2:03 am

Long post Beware, going to try to respond as I read it...

First off...yeah Iso ur dedication to make this server is admirable and we do thank for providing such a server...EM and EM's atmosphere is the best ive ever seen and i really enjoyed my self when i played there....its mostly the family atmosphere and the respect that everyon has to everyone else that made it so special!


Thank you, that has been my goal for the past 6 years or so that I have been running this server. I have seen rough times in the past, and so far have always managed to keep things under control and the gaming enviornment sane and fun.

Thats why we were at a despair when the new ppl came in and made things impossible to even relax and enjoy and i think that after reading only part of the logs u see what we were going thru...and believe me the past 2-3 weeks is nothing comparing to when they started to come....
that was the reason i contacted u in the first place and suggested the co admin thing...to keep things into perspective... and to get back EM peace


I was completely unaware of the problems on the server that led to requesting co-admins, other than hints of some troublemaker that seemed to have been taken care of. I can't fix problems if I'm not aware of them, you guys have to let me know right away when there is something wrong.

So in short Iso, u dont know me or how i do things or how i could or couldnt be a good admin... But u jumped to conclusion from the posts on this forum...i dont blame u of course to arrive at those conclusion...coz the way the posts were going and how they were manipulated...it gave u a bad impression and since u werent there to see thing u thought u understood things right!


No, of course I don't know you, I have to base my opinions on what I see on the server and read on the forums. I did not jump to conclusions, I have said all along that a lot of the EM regulars acted very immaturely in the forums, no matter what the reasons, there is no excuse. It did not help that I was not seeing much if anything of the other side of the coin from the regulars. You can't keep problems from me, that is my job.

I got made at ur post "STOP THIS BULLSHIT" coz it portrayed ur wrong impression, and im not the only oone who understood that...i talked to several EMers and they had the same impression...So thats why i got upset, coz instead of reprimanding the coadmin in public like u did...(maybe it wasnt ur intention to do that .....but ur looking at ur post from the perspective of someone who doesnt know whats happeneing, but we look at it from the perspective of ppl who have lived thru it) it sounded like its a reprimand and telling us that we dont have the control over things..... coz there wasnt any talk about kicking for cheating without proof and there wasnt any abuse of power...it was for misconduct observed from players on the server.... Thats why i said u should have spoken to us in private about it then post the rules and explain what should happen or not happen like u did now for the others! That way at least u would have known what exactly was going on!


I don't understand where you are coming from in response to my "STOP THE BULLSHIT" post. The first thing I say in that post is that I don't know the full story, but from what I read in the forums the EM people were making asses of themselves, regardless of what any UN players may have done. This is true. I saw things getting out of hand, so I posted straightforward simple rules designed to eliminate problems on either side of the table. As for reprimanding the co-admins in that post, that is totally off base. I was simply letting everyone know what to expect on the server, and showing my dissapointment for the childish posts from regular EM players I had been seeing in the forums. There was nothing to talk to the co-admins in private about, since everything in the post was intended for the community to read. I simply saw things falling apart and stepped in quickly to help put a stop to whatever was going on. Maybe you should read the post over again, because I have read it several times since you seemed to get so upset over it, and I do not see anything hostile or reprimanding about it, other than about the posting on the forums.

As for the mistakes that ive done, maybe ur right Iso...but there is something that u dont know. By the time that u got the chance to finally do the vote for coadmins and to actually tell us that we became ones, i had only 10 days left for my phd thesis defense..Now im sorry but that was more important to me than anything else ...i tried to be on EM but i was extreemly busy...and even the breif moments when i was i didnt pay much attention coz i wanted just to discharge part of my stress to be able to work more...so maybe that is what u got as too lax with them ...but after i finished that and actually on the same day of my thesis defense..i set out the rules that i posted in panda post "pfffft....Grrrr..." and when i did enforce the rules...he called me unfair and even manipulated his post to make look as if im the one who kicked him that time and not miri then he admitted that it wasnt me!!!


I don't expect anyone to dedicate their lives to being admins. All you have to do is keep an eye out for rogue players and deal with them while you are playing on the server. That is why I set up two co-admin positions. No, I did not take your not dedicating time to the server as being lax at all. What I took as lax was when you let them keep getting away with unacceptable behaviour, even after warning them. If you don't enforce what you say, you loose all respect and things get out of control fast. The thing that really dissapointed me was when you warned them, then you didn't enforce it, then you warned them again later and said that the last time you weren't serious, this time you were??? That sends some pretty unclear signals. Also when you let them walk all over you when you were trying to warn everyone to stop talking about cheating, with Fig acting childish as well. That kind of situation needs to have a firm hand put on it right away. These are simply bad decisions that can cause serious problems. This is my only reprimand to you as co-admin. It just wasn't handled properly. I'm saying these things with no ill feelings or hostility, I'm just letting you know how I feel about what I saw so we aren't unclear about what I'm talking about. I hope you don't take what I have said badly, I certainly don't mean it that way.

I hope you continue to play on the server, you are a part of the community. As for the problems, I have been monitoring the server much more closely and I will be handling certain "problems" personally along with mirielle's help to get things back to the normal, AFZ.
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Postby EM{Isolator} » Sun Sep 21, 2003 2:09 am

follow-up to my previous post...

I just read it over and I think that I come across as a bit of an arrogant asshole, so anyone else that picks up on that, I apoligise now. The post was not created in that attitude.

I have a very matter-of-fact way of talking about issues and I like to cut straight to the point, and I'm not very diplomatic apparently. It's all about business at times like these, but I realise that I can come across rather harsh at times.
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Postby Beware » Sun Sep 21, 2003 2:37 pm

np Iso, everything is alright now...thx for taking the time to do the admin job, its not easy, and ty for taking the time to respond to my long post!

And i really do thank everyone for their warm feelings and their sticking up for me. I really appreciate guys :D. UR the BEST of the BEST!

so cya soon...on EM ;)
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Postby OLDie » Sun Sep 21, 2003 5:22 pm

I FOR ONE - ANd I KNOW I speak for MOST if NOT ALL..... SAYS YEAH!!!!!!! :P :D :lol: :wink: 8) :D :)

And tine for a BIG WAWHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

WB BE!! SMOOCHIES!! :wink:

AND Mir STOP trying to HUG me :oops: ... tsk tsk tsk...
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Postby Kapa6ac » Sun Sep 21, 2003 6:00 pm

About grey areas...

Swearing in a public place tho is very tempting, is not a good thing when
someone gets upset.

Personally i've noticed that when used too often these words might sort of loose original meanyng but fortunaterly for some ppl words really denote a thing :wink: ...

So, I would suggest in favor of Beware, so that when someone asks to
"watch your F@#$%^ language" :) then everyone should follow and try to avoid using
words that may be considered as "censored".

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Postby audigy » Sun Sep 21, 2003 6:52 pm

ISO you are definately the best quake III server admin i have talked to or watched or seen in game and out of game. Schmengie at OPC is probably gonna read this post one of these days and shed a tear lol :)

Im cool with all that man, I only swear when im pissy, like, fuck i suck today, not FUCK you suck man, get a life. I dont thikn ive ever said that to any EM regulars, and if i did im sorry.

as for every other rule
im down with that, and in miris words......word..

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